Norbert Röttgen: „Die CDU steht nah an der Klippe“
Jochen Gaugele und Jörg Quoos

„Ich sehe keine Denkfaulheit in der Partei als kollektives Problem“: Norbert Röttgen beim Besuch in unserer Berliner Redaktion (im Hintergrund eine Projektion des CDU-Logos)
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Berlin. CDU-Präsidiumsmitglied Norbert Röttgen spricht im Interview über die Wahl des Parteivorsitzenden und die Klimakonferenz in Glasgow.
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